[Fiddyfoe]

The good news is that the replacements, front only, are about as much as just the rear on my motorcycles. Getting a slightly harder compound with a good water shucking tread in a more conventional pattern. I would like a torque value for the lugs if anybody has one.

[coolwhip]

The good news is that the replacements, front only, are about as much as just the rear on my motorcycles. Getting a slightly harder compound with a good water shucking tread in a more conventional pattern. I would like a torque value for the lugs if anybody has one.

My dealer told me 85 ft-lbs for all three wheels on a 2018 Venice.
I checked mine and found the front ones close, but the rear was about 25 - quite loose!

[Vector-BFC]

The good news is that the replacements, front only, are about as much as just the rear on my motorcycles. Getting a slightly harder compound with a good water shucking tread in a more conventional pattern. I would like a torque value for the lugs if anybody has one.

What tires did you decide on?

[Fiddyfoe]

The good news is that the replacements, front only, are about as much as just the rear on my motorcycles. Getting a slightly harder compound with a good water shucking tread in a more conventional pattern. I would like a torque value for the lugs if anybody has one.

My dealer told me 85 ft-lbs for all three wheels on a 2018 Venice.
I checked mine and found the front ones close, but the rear was about 25 - quite loose!

Yeah, last time I had them off which was the first time, I measured the breakaway torque at about 90 ftlbs, so I used that and thus, your figure is quite reasonable. Thanks. I think with the vibes and driving/steering stress they can work loose. One of them fell away with the weight of the wrench when taking them off this time and the rest didn’t have 90 lbs on them. I think this might be time for some of the old school retorquing after fifty miles or so and then checking from time to time. I don’t think that one lug was too far from departing the vehicle.

[Fiddyfoe]

The good news is that the replacements, front only, are about as much as just the rear on my motorcycles. Getting a slightly harder compound with a good water shucking tread in a more conventional pattern. I would like a torque value for the lugs if anybody has one.

What tires did you decide on?

Odd thing is, brand-wise, I don’t know. Had to cheat and go look just now as to what is even on there as OE. That would be Federales, probably same as most of you. Nonetheless, they’re the biggest dealer (Bridgestone and Toyo) in this small town. They were skippy jumping all over the computer fielding questions re tread and tread compound in my given size. Not a lot of choice in that size. When we hit the crossroads of tread and compound, I just said go. For all I know, could be more Federals. Honestly, don’t much care. It’s like sneakers. High speed, low drag $200 pair with special graphics that pinch or the $20 Walmarts, comfortable as hell and wear like iron. They’ll be here Mon, 24 Aug. I’ll post it later. I’m hoping these will do better in the rain, last more than 10k miles and grip halfway decently. They’re supposedly 45k tires. About the same price as the 70k but a softer compound. If they don’t work out, we’ll try a different type, tread or brand. Oh, and check y’all’s for uneven wear. I noticed an inch and a half strip on my pax side inboard wearing heavily. Railroad tracks, potholes, bad mfr alignment? Dunno. As soft as the OEs are, they’ll wear badly rather quickly and be done for in short order. Go figure, noticed the wear bars but didn’t notice that till I went to take the tire off. My old arch nemesis, rectocranial inversion, rears his ugly head again. In my defense, though, it was on the dark side of the garage. My sworn statement and I’m going with it.

[Vector-BFC]

LMAO

Thanks for the info.

[Fiddyfoe]

The good news is that the replacements, front only, are about as much as just the rear on my motorcycles. Getting a slightly harder compound with a good water shucking tread in a more conventional pattern. I would like a torque value for the lugs if anybody has one.

What tires did you decide on?

Odd thing is, brand-wise, I don’t know. Had to cheat and go look just now as to what is even on there as OE. That would be Federales, probably same as most of you. Nonetheless, they’re the biggest dealer (Bridgestone and Toyo) in this small town. They were skippy jumping all over the computer fielding questions re tread and tread compound in my given size. Not a lot of choice in that size. When we hit the crossroads of tread and compound, I just said go. For all I know, could be more Federals. Honestly, don’t much care. It’s like sneakers. High speed, low drag $200 pair with special graphics that pinch or the $20 Walmarts, comfortable as hell and wear like iron. They’ll be here Mon, 24 Aug. I’ll post it later. I’m hoping these will do better in the rain, last more than 10k miles and grip halfway decently. They’re supposedly 45k tires. About the same price as the 70k but a softer compound. If they don’t work out, we’ll try a different type, tread or brand. Oh, and check y’all’s for uneven wear. I noticed an inch and a half strip on my pax side inboard wearing heavily. Railroad tracks, potholes, bad mfr alignment? Dunno. As soft as the OEs are, they’ll wear badly rather quickly and be done for in short order. Go figure, noticed the wear bars but didn’t notice that till I went to take the tire off. My old arch nemesis, rectocranial inversion, rears his ugly head again. In my defense, though, it was on the dark side of the garage. My sworn statement and I’m going with it.

Those tires would be the Toyo Extensa HPs. $299 otd for the pair. Gotta have a racy, Italian sounding name or a nonsensical combo of letters and numbers, you know. Like car models. Don’t know if they’ll behave or not yet. Let you know after a bit.

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I have a 2020 VVGT. The original Federals looked like baloney skins at just a shade over 4000 miles. The bulk of the wear occurred at around the 3000 mark and on the edge. This was due to an alignment issue ( the ball joint on the swing arm failed at 900 mi,  and I dont think the alignment was right after that). In any even,  the dealer offered to replace the fronts. The rear looked almost brand new, but I didnt want another set of Federals.

I went with Pirelli P-Zero Rosso's.

Not as sticky as the Federals BUT will not kill you if you hit a puddle.  They now have 2500 miles on them and show zero wear.

You running an aftermarket engine program? I’m running the BNR and I think it put my wear rate on the Feds into, ahem, overdrive. So, if you folks out there are running one, you might increase the frequency of your tire inspections esp on the OEs. The Toys look like they have a fairly aggressive weather pattern to them. Yeah, water skiing on the freeway can get pretty sporty and I’m hoping I get a similar result to yours in heavy weather. 2500 mi? Check your lugs. That’s about how far I got between checks and was down to near nothing on one. I do the torque pattern twice to preclude a missed lug so it wasn’t that. Compensating for old age and poorly timed distractions.

[Vector-BFC]

The Perelli's sure are pricey!!!

[Fiddyfoe]

Now at 8058 Miles . 4000 on the Pirelli P-Zero Rosso's and They show almost no wear.

Conclusion: The stock Federals are garbage.

Likewise on my Toyos. Four K or so, no visible wear. Not to be too contrarian and I’m no fan, but the Feds are good for what they were designed to do - be sticky. They just wear horrendously, like a pencil eraser (thus the annoyingly large population of eraserless pencils) and waterski like a Weeki Wachee Springs summer show. It’s a balancing act - wear v traction. The Feds were all traction, no wear. Added to all that is the fact that the large tire footprint v light veh weight is generally problematic. That’s probably why they went with the Feds for OE. Wouldn’t do having their new cars populating ditches around the country.

That said, I still have my Fed rear. Little/no wear and still sticky. Not a driven wheel, little weight on it so wear is minimal. Haven’t hit a frog strangler lately so I don’t have a feel for the skiing with just the rear OEM or the new fronts for that matter. We’ll see. Weight v footprint is inescapable no matter what tire you use. I suppose bicycle tires might fix that but they would look pretty stupid. Or like a Morgan.

Lastly, my 4K included a couple hundred miles in NGa, WNC, ETn and I have no complaints re the Toyos and waaaay no complaints re the BNR tune. Pullin’ Gs on the hairpins like a fighter plane. Grieves me to say it but more thrills than on a m/c, my prior fun benchmark.

[Vector-BFC]

How much is a set of Toyo's, The P's are way pricey.